Joe Sanok joins me today to talk about his business of counseling counselors and helping others launch, grow and make their own practices much more efficient.

We talked about his beginnings in Kirby sales, starting his own counseling service, keeping his finances in control and how to look beyond the zero-sum-game view.

Joe also states what he sees as the biggest obstacle people face when they want to launch something of their own into the world and shares his E-Course with IM Podcast listeners – Moving From Being Paralyzed by Perfection to Getting Things Done, which is available at

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FEE, where 14-16 year-olds can check out amazing conferences at Tell them you heard about it here.

Praxis, where you can get off the conveyor belt and build an entrepreneurial career today, no debt, no waiting, and no credentials required.

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I'm an entrepreneur, thinker, and communicator dedicated to the relentless pursuit of freedom. I'm the founder and CEO of Praxis, an intensive ten-month program combining real world business experience with the best of online education for those who want more than college.