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How Much Violence Will Rand Paul Use?

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Christopher Monko April 22, 2014 at 3:26 pm

Clearly we have seen developing within our movement a divide if you will, between libertarians who are strong supporters of Rand Paul and those who since the 2012 election have moved away from asking for permission to be free and want nothing to do with a “democratic process” (especially after what happened to the Ron Paul delegates at the RNC).

I happen to fall on the latter and my question to those who support Rand Paul is this:

How much violence (force) will a Rand Paul administration use against me to bend me to the will of that government?

ie. What happens if I don’t pay my taxes to a Rand Paul government? Does he stick to libertarian beliefs and let me go about my life freely or will i be subject to aggression?

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Jeffrey Tucker April 22, 2014 at 3:37 pm

These revelations that politics is not the way forward always startle me. I knew that already in 2008 and 2012 and I was continually amazed that people were throwing all their hopes and dreams into these campaigns. Then of course the inevitable happened. People have been devastated at the malinvestment of their time and money – devastated and demoralized.

That said, it is also possible to over react to the discovery that the state owns the political process. It is possible — not likely — but possible that a Prez Rand Paul could actually prevent a greater evil. An example of this is Jimmy Carter and how he kept us out of war with Iran, or Reagan when he pulled the troops from Beirut.

I don’t think Rand is any more or less sincere than any previous presidential aspirant. In terms of his actual views and voting record, he is the best Senator there has been in half a century – despite all his flaws.

As for what he will do in office, that is anyone’s guess! This is the nature of the system. We are voting for people not policies. The whole system is unworkable.

My answer to all of this: if politics is consumption good for you, go for it. But if you think you are going to change the world by voting for the right guy, you have a lesson to learn.

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Steve Brunner April 22, 2014 at 6:57 pm

For me, it’s a matter of what will actually accomplish the most for human freedom and prevent needless death.

Are we more or less likely to avoid conflict with a Rand Paul in office? Are we more likely to end the war on drugs or, at the very least, decriminalize drugs? Are we more or less likely to put a lid on NSA spying?

If the answer to these questions yes or maybe, then it might be worth the 20 minutes to go vote for him.

Is it the best solution? No, it involves voting so of course it’s not.

But, if Stefan Molyenux is correct (and I believe he is), it will take generations of children brought up peacefully to end the State. Until then, attempts to de-claw and slow the state are not a wastes of time.

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Adam Sanacore April 22, 2014 at 9:42 pm

What worries me most about Rand is his utter devotion to the state of Israel. He seems to be following the neocon playbook piece-by-piece, and if he’s manipulated into throwing this country into another conflict in order to justify the whims of the establishment, the level of violence is going be more than a simple problem.

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Richard Masta April 22, 2014 at 10:03 pm

I want a t-shirt that reads STAND WITH RAND. that’s all.

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Fred_Bastiat85 April 23, 2014 at 5:20 am

Doubtful I will vote for Rand (at least in the general election, maybe I will vote for him in the primary) because like many/ most here, I believe that government gets its power from the consent of the governed and I wish to withdraw my support from the so-called democratic process. That disclaimer aside, I love Rand and the attention he is bringing to our movement. This guy grew up in the shadows of the greatest advocate for liberty in our generation. He surely has all the same views (or nearly all) as his father. He has most certainly read the same materials that you and I and Ron Paul have read. His father has been involved with Murray Rothbard and LvMI and Lew Rockwell since way back when and I’m certain that Rand shares these views. How do I know? Because any sane person who has any familiarity with Austrian economics, Rothbard, LvM, etc and has read any of the associated literature could never be the same afterward. The arguments are too strong, too convincing not to believe it. Surely Rand does as well.

It pains me to see Rand play the republican games and play the Israel card and the tea party/ constitution line and that horrid Time op-ed on Putin, but he is bringing and will bring so much more attention to these issues. He is not and never will be the next Ron Paul, but he is taken seriously by MSM (which I admit is frightening) and these ideas will penetrate even further. His rightful opposition to the civil rights act will cause some people to think about the limits of voluntarism and coercion. His support of the ‘Audit the Fed’ bill (we all know it doesnt matter) bill will bring more attention to this criminal cartel. Most boobus americanus do not even know what the fed is, his attention to this catastrophe on a national platform will set many on the path that eventually lands them to places like L.me, LRC, lvMI, etc. Rand Paul’s congressional inquiry into Hillary’s Benghazi fiasco, when he specifically asks her if the CIA/ state dept were in benghazi to smuggle weapons out of libya into syria via turkey and she smugly feigns ignorance is priceless. We all knew this was going on and Justin Raimondo and others wrote prolifically on this, but Rand had the stones to bring this up to arguably the most powerful woman on the planet. He has now been vindicated by Seymour Hersh’s ‘Red Line and Rat Line’ which has gotten scant coverage in the US. He was steadfastly opposed to Syria intervention and he has been by far the best of any politician in regards to the drug war.

I don’t support Rand because I think he can make a difference in the political process (I dont believe in the political process), but I love that the political process is giving him this platform. Today’s feature article at LRC is a column from Murray Rothbard regarding hate for the state. He emphasizes how a true libertarian must despise the state and must take any crumb of liberty we can get and not give back an inch, regardless if we are a minarchist or anarcho-capitalist, I believe Rand is fighting this fight along with us (whether directly or indirectly) and we will claw back more liberties under him, but most importantly, these ideas will spread further and deeper. Millions more will be exposed and eventually a dedicated few will wind up on these pages discussing these very issues. My personal opinion is that Rand’s mission is as an extension of the educational outreach that his father started. To this end, I believe he is succeeding and will succeed. Our revolution will take generations of education and Rand represents a great second step where these ideas become more mainstream.

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