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  Anonymous November 13, 2015 at 4:08 pm

  I just watched this video (Adam Kokesh) last night. Blew my mind. Just an amazing example that with the right argument, the right perspective, you can open someone’s mind to a different way of thinking.

  That isn’t to say the same argument is going to work for everyone nor will you necessarily have the right perspective (no way I could have used that argument for that dude), but if we keep trying, keep putting our arguments and perspectives out there, the likelihood of a spark will go up.

  AND, keep sharing your perspective, your point of view, your reason for liberty because you might be the only one who can connect to someone and be their spark.

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  At-last… November 13, 2015 at 5:33 pm

  Something to be aware of: Shortfall of Non Violent Communication and as used is that Kokesh was unwilling to accept an uncompromised “no”. Put the gentleman in a bind.

  Saying it would be cowardice to avoid the truth…

  http://connect.liberty.me/wp-content/uploads/sites/1892/2015/11/2015-11-13-14-56-14-1.jpg

  The fellow veteran took a book and picked up a sticker when I believe he had said “no” prior to that…

  One way to get out of wanting someone else to do something and create what in NVC is called a torn or compromised “no” (violent communication) is to make it possible actually to be in a position to accept an uncompromised “no” respectfully and untorn in oneself.

  Only way I know of is walked thru here…

  The Covenant of Unanimous Consent used with Direct Alternatives
  https://connect.liberty.me/the-covenant-of-unanimous-consent/

  Thank you for helping me see this more clearly Anna! Meets my need (value) for trade, collaboration and clarity. I am both sad and happy that the need for Education was met by Kokesh but that Empathy (NVC) came second towards the end of the encounter. Understanding this by identifying the NVC components of Empathy–Observation; the Feelings; the Need (Values) and Request–in other and my self and sitting with that gives me immediate release from my torn feelings and tiredness and gives me space, energy and joy! A gift given and received!

  I am happy there is a way to resolve the issues, which I have used and share here.

   

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  Michael Bunch November 13, 2015 at 6:50 pm

  I use a little bit of NVC in my work. Before moving to a new job, I had this up in my office:

  http://www.nonviolentcommunication.com/aboutnvc/4partprocess.htm

  I’m certainly no expert in NVC but I find that trying to approach conversation with others from a place of curiosity, reconciliation, and non-judgement gets you what you want better than not. Or to put it another way, methods like MI and NVC are “yielding” when the other person goes “strong”, and it allows you get around their armor.

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  Anonymous November 17, 2015 at 12:14 pm

  I can’t lie to you guys, I didn’t know that there was an official system of nonviolent communication before you both responded to this. So thank you for that!

  I was impressed by Adam’s ability to stay calm and de-escalate the other guy’s emotions. To know that there is a theory behind what he did and that it is something I can learn is really great. I sometimes ignore the reality that even though we are constantly communicating, it doesn’t mean we necessarily understand how or know the best way to communicate in a given situation.

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    Michael Bunch November 18, 2015 at 6:27 pm

    It’s all about the end goal. Is this something where you want to convince the person to change in some form? If so, NVC or MI can be useful. Is thing something where it doesn’t matter whether or not they need to change? If so, then no special form of communication is required.

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      At-last… December 13, 2015 at 2:24 am

      None what you point out pertains to NVC. Please see following jpg chart and time stamp (few minutes before on youtube link), where Marshal Rosenberg addresses what purpose and goals of NVC are:

      http://connect.liberty.me/wp-content/uploads/sites/1892/2015/12/2015-12-13-00-05-24.jpg

      Marshall Rosenberg – Making Life Wonderful 6/8 DVD – Nonviolent Communication NVC – CNV

      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq5_sZhbEdg

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  Frank Maruschak November 18, 2015 at 6:54 am

  Except for the chart that “illustrates” what someone “means” by Nonviolent Communication, what is the difference between Nonviolent Communication and Violent Communication?   Is the “difference” the same as the difference between a Hunting Rifle and an Assault Rifle?  (the only thing common with the two is that there is an adjective-opinion adding “color” to the words communication and rifle)  The “Truth” can hurt if the communication of the “Truth” is packaged in a malicious-way.  So the question is: How is the communication constructed so that:  presentation of any FACT is with the lack of the sting of the emotion.

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    Michael Bunch November 18, 2015 at 6:30 pm

    The truth, or any idea, can hurt even if it’s not in a malicious form. It’s more about communicating an idea, the truth, whatever else, in a way that does not elicit a countering. Or put another way, it’s about acting without prompting a reaction back at you.

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  Frank Maruschak November 18, 2015 at 7:06 pm

  There are two choices involved One with the sender of a message and the other with the receiver of a message.  a Properly constructed true/false-question has only one of two answers.  True/False = fact, Truth = opinion.

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  . December 13, 2015 at 9:11 am

  Thanks for sharing, that was fun to watch! I was first introduced to the concept of NVC by Stefan Molyneux.

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