"Anarchy" in Bristol?

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"Anarchy" in Bristol?

  • Martin Nicholls

    Here is a news report by Channel 4 saying that these frequent arson attacks are the work of anarchists, but are truly the work of non-propertarian anarchists (or Marxist Anarchists) who are waging a “new urban anarchist war”. Watch to the end of the report where it shows a guy who says he is an anarchist, but cannot answer the news reporter’s question when it comes to violation of private property rights.

    In the news report you shall see this quote put out by Channel 4 from the “Informal Anarchist Federation”, but below is a link to the website that I believe the two seperate quotes were taken from:

    “We …burned an audacious 4×4, two luxury sports cars… We set the night on fire because standing aside …was never enough to address our miserable situation within a faltering, biocidal empire.”
    Informal Anarchist Federation.

    http://325.nostate.net/?p=13303

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTAv2OOVf-U

    In case of any confusion (hardly likely here on Liberty.me) I have included a video of Adam Kokesh defining what true anarchism means:

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  • Zain D

    I am an antichrist
    I am an anarchist
    Don’t know what I want
    But I know how to get it
    I wanna destroy passerby

    Seems to sum up the “anarchist arsons” perfectly.

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    Ben P

    And this is why, in the UK,  I have no meaningful word to describe my world view to people outside internet forums such as this.  Even using ‘anarchy’ with the various suffix / prefixes we use will only conjure-up pictures of property-destroying morons in most peoples minds.  Hell, I can’t even use ‘libertarian’, because (even to the semi-informed Brit) that means I’m just a swivel-eyed pro-gun survivalist, or someone who wants weed legalised – and nothing more!

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      Martin Nicholls

      “Hell, I can’t even use ‘libertarian’, because (even to the semi-informed Brit) that means I’m just a swivel-eyed pro-gun survivalist, or someone who wants weed legalised – and nothing more!”

      I think you’re correct; although I’ve been starting to think that the label “libertarian” is thought of by the collectivist-consenus as meaning “Libertarian-Socialist” (basically a supporter of Chomsky). For us to even attempt to take back the word “liberal” I think is insanity. Perhaps “voluntaryists” is the best label for now… until, of course, the collectivist-consenus mutates that label too.

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      Chip Marce

      So maybe you should skip the labels and just be for liberty? We get into these silly label games that are actually antithetical to liberty. We tend to believe that people are unique individuals, yet want pound them into a pigeonhole when describing their philosophical or cultural beliefs.

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        Martin Nicholls

        But at the same time if we don’t have labels then no one is going to know what’s going on.

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        Ben P

        Chip, I like your angle, but in the UK the leftist-statist-progressive factions already think they are pro-liberty.  We even have a ‘civil liberties’ NGO in the UK called ‘Liberty’, which is essentially the legal training ground for the Labour Party and the Guardian Newspaper.  Liberty, to them, means passing more anti-discrimination laws to protect vulnerable minority groups!!

        Martin, I agree.  We need a label at least for convenience at this stage!

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    Matthew John Hayden

    Liberators… :p

    Lovers of liberty is what we are – the freedom of one tempered only by the freedom of others… if we can try to get that definition of liberty out there constantly while calling ourselves libertarians then we can at least keep the word libertarian.

    I remember Channel 4 reporting on the arrest of Ross Ulbricht barely hiding their disdain when they referred to him as a ‘libertarian’. I also heard the word used on BBC Radio 3 today on a program about Denmark to refer to British people as a whole. It was used as a synonym for libertine… I despair.

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      Martin Nicholls

      You could be right. I guess the advantage we have is that we have consistant and systematic definitions for “the state”, “freedom”, and “liberty”. Whereas the statists believe that “society = the state” (and vice versa), and that individual rights stem from the state itself because its rule-of-law create rights (rather than ratifying or defending them).

      I think Adam Kokesh spells out perfectly what the definition of freedom is in his new book:

      “Freedom is what you have when no one is forcing their will on you. Everyone inherently recognizes this as a good thing because we all value our power to make decisions. We all value making decisions without being threatened. Unfortunately, most of us have not taken the time to consider the precise nature of freedom and its foundation in universal undeniable principles. Applying those principles to big issues may be complicated, but the concept of freedom is not. When applied consistently, it shows the way to a more harmonious society.

      If somebody is forcing their will on us, clearly, we are not free. So perhaps it is helpful to think of freedom not as a substance, but as an ideal state of social harmony in which no one is forcing their will on anyone else. A violation of freedom is an attack on a particular victim whose will is being forcibly hindered by taking their life, stealing their property, or threatening them with assault. Freedom is not just an ideal state of society, but a moral code for respecting the rights of others.

      Self-ownership is an integral part of being human. You own yourself. You own your body. You own your labor. For anyone to assert otherwise is to attempt to restrict your freedom or make you a slave.

      Because you own yourself, it is wrong for someone to initiate force against you or your property. Acceptance of this simple fact is the foundation of a free and peaceful society. This universal non-aggression principle applies to everyone, and it is therefore wrong to kill, injure, assault, steal from, or threaten another person. Anyone who directly violates others, supports the violation of others, or violates others on behalf of someone else is holding us back from achieving our potential through the harmonious and mutually beneficial transactions that take place in freedom.”

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    Chris Collings

    Has anyone here had any more thought on this issue? Is there a widely used alternative to Libertarian in the UK?

    The reason is that I’m looking for active groups in the UK and when I search Liberty or Libertarian, I keep getting politically driven groups.

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      Ben P

      Hi Chris.  I think ‘libertarian’ is probably the most useful and common term in the UK.  Still as rare as rocking-horse shit, though!  You may find some people who classify themselves as Classical Liberals, and you will find common ground there.

      As for active groups in the UK.  Not much to choose from.  One of the two groups calling themselves The Libertarian Alliance has regular meet-ups and talks in London, I believe.  There are also two political groups that I’m aware of  – ‘Libertarian Party UK’ & ‘The Independent Libertarian Network’.  Neither are particularly active, and LPUK has been mired in internal wrangling and accusations of financial impropriety, so I’d stay aware from there at the moment!

      There is also another thread somewhere in this group where we have been trying to set up a UK meeting of Liberty.me members – keep an eye on that on the off chance we can organise something.

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    Chris Collings

    Thank you for your help @Ben P. I searched for both of the groups you mentioned and via a link on one of the sites I found a Scottish Libertarian group. Their website is currently down, however their Facebook page is up to date.Exactly the information I was looking for, thank you

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      Ben P

      Ah, are you in Scotland?  If anywhere needs libertarianism at the moment, it’s Scotland!  I’d been working towards relocating up there for a while, but I’ve put a hold on it for now.  Can’t imagine home educating the kids under the SNPs ‘named person’ legislation.  I need to see how that pans out first!

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        Chris Collings

        The education system is really good in this region. Most schools are very inclusive and quick to deal with issues. When funds are low, there are plenty of parents willing to volunteer. You are right that we’ll have to see how that legislation pans out

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